He also commented "not a thing was done" from the meeting last October when more than 100 bar owners and representatives from South Side met with Police Chief Nate Harper. The meeting took place during the time when the police were operating saturation patrols in the neighborhood resulting in hundreds of citations for parking violations.
"Don't take the police out of South Side and put them in Mount Oliver," he said. "We make the money, bring [them] back to us."
One of the bar owners commented the shuttle may have to go later than what they want it to. Some patrons remain in the neighborhood to have something to eat before they leave. He also wanted to know if everyone is put out onto the street at once and told to go, "where are they going to go to the bathroom?"
Mr. Kraus said there may be a place in the plan for the Allegheny County Health Department.
"There are streets that absolutely wreak of urine," he said.
Several of the bar owners agreed there are no repercussions for those starting fights along Carson Street. They said if police break up a fight on the street, the combatants are separated and let go once they're calmed down. Instead, they suggested putting them in jail for the night, or the weekend.
"People starting fights, people robbing people, we don't need them," one owner said.
Another recommended getting the State Police involved.
"Get the police on horseback, they can cover more ground," he said.
He expressed concern if things continue to escalate, people will stop coming to South Side.
On the subject of utilizing the Second Avenue Parking Plaza, he said, "personally, if I had the choice between parking in a lot and taking a shuttle. I'm going to circle the block looking for a parking spot before I take a shuttle."
To get people to use the parking lot, there would have to be something like a residential permit parking program in South Side, he said. Better lighting at the pedestrian level and more street trees could make Carson Street more appealing he added.
"I see so many thing that happen without repercussions," said Drew Topping of Pipper's Pub. If people start seeing people getting arrested it will stop things from happening."
Aaron Sukinek, business development manager for the South Side Local Development Company, said his "wish list" would include a cop at every intersection.
"When you get off Carson, we can light that up, but will that impact the quality of life for the people living there," he questioned.
One of the owners of Mario's at the table commented there are two hours after the bars close when people are still "hanging out."
"That's where the trash comes from," he said. "There may be a beer bottle of two, but the rest is from them."
Councilman Kraus said they want to make sure "problematic establishments" make it to the district attorney's office in a timely effort. He noted total bar occupancy in South Side is high saying within 500 feet of 16